The public opinion on the U.S.-China trade talks is overwhelmingly negative and skeptical, with a significant portion of the skepticism directed towards President Donald Trump and his administration. Many commenters doubt the sincerity and effectiveness of these trade talks, expressing frustration over the lack of tangible outcomes from prior negotiations. There is a common belief that the talks are not leading to meaningful resolutions and may be more political posturing than substantive negotiations. Concerns are also raised about the economic impact on American businesses and consumers, with many criticizing the tariff policies. Overall, there is a prevailing sense of disbelief and cynicism about any potential positive outcomes from the talks.

U.S. Government

Chinese Government

My total tariff is still 48-58%, I can’t get an exact answer and that still puts my profitability and cashflow at significant risk.

drewc717

Ffs 30% is still a sh*tload. 
When inflation comes into full effect it’s going to be fun!

abi4EU

We were charging $3 for a burger, then briefly raised the price to $10, then made it $5.  See, we lowered our prices!

Chaosmusic

after a 90-day trade truce was announced in early May—reducing tariffs from 145% to 30%—there was a sharp increase in shipping activity. Container bookings from China to the U.S. surged by 277% in the week ending May 14, rising from an average of 5,709 to 21,530 TEUs . Despite this spike, volumes remain about 61.5% lower compared to the same period last year, indicating that the surge is more of a recovery than new growth . ￼

In summary, the current increase in imports is primarily businesses catching up on delayed shipments rather than an expansion beyond previous levels.

woolybully143

Plus 20% for the electronics I use because they are automotive.  

This still sucks pretty bad

Ok_Concept_4245

I do product development and manufacturing - 30% is completely manageable and all our clients are still competitive. 150%, however, is difficult for everyone to manage and remain profitable. Business is back where it was pre tariffs for us even at 30% - or 50% total if your products fall under Section 301.

gretschhandler1

Trump screwed a LOT of businesses who had no choice but to pay the 100% plus tariffs on imports, then dropped them down to 30. He is only looking after big businesses who can absorb a little shock.

movieaddict42

30% is still obscenely high. Lucky for big business the scumbag traitor will cut deals directly with them so that they can bypass tariffs. The little guy will pay. The little guy always pays.

CaptKustard

Funny how folks on the right somehow claiming this 30% tarrif is a win due to trumps negotiation even though Trump is the one that first set it at 30%

Material_Policy6327

Ambitious_Ad6334

The only adjustments we have made is to look for more onshore suppliers for critical equipment and services. No drastic adjustments needed as all countries need one another and our economies are intertwined so deeply. Fair and equal trade is good for all parties and it appears to be working.

maniaduck

Submission:

The rhetoric by the sitting American president regarding Canada and its subjugation or annexation, along with various related actions such as the trade war appears to be a prelude to creating an adversary out of an ally. Whether this results in a physical conflict or not remains up in the air, but the possibility of such a conflict remains. A look at similar conflicts from the past century has shown that this could result in a brutal insurgency that might last for generations, and would result in dramatic reshapings of not just domestic politics but also global alliances as well.

Hrmbee

Ideas to consider from this article:

&gt;The idea of a war between Canada and the United States was inconceivable even a few months ago. Most Americans still don’t believe it’s a possibility, or simply haven’t noticed their president’s occupationist rhetoric, or can’t imagine a world in which a neighbor they have been at peace with for 150 years is suddenly an enemy. The very idea seems completely absurd.
&gt;
&gt;But Canada does not have the luxury of dismissing White House rhetoric as trolling. Canadians are imagining the unimaginable because they have to.
&gt;
&gt;...
&gt;
&gt;What would a continental conflict look like? Conventional war between the United States and Canada would be highly asymmetric, to say the least. The U.S. possesses an enormous military, comprising more than a million men and women under arms. Canada’s armed forces have 72,000 active members. Even worse, because of its deep-seated trust in the United States, Canada has built its forces around interoperability with U.S. forces, both for mutual continental protection, in binational projects such as the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), and for expeditionary forces such as the NATO mission to Afghanistan.
&gt;
&gt;...
&gt;
&gt;Aisha Ahmad, a political-science professor at the University of Toronto, told me she does not think Canada’s reputation for gentleness would make it any less brutal as an opponent. “There’s no such thing as a warrior race,” said Ahmad, who is an expert on insurgency who has conducted field work in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Lebanon, Mali, and Kenya. “Nobody is born an insurgent. Insurgency is what happens when someone kills your mom.” Just one soldier firing on a protester at a rally could be the spark. “All of these cute, latte-drinking TikToker students,” she said. “You look at them and you don’t see insurgents. But if you kill their moms, the Geneva Convention will not save you.”
&gt;
&gt;An occupying military force has three strategies for dealing with insurgent conflicts, none of which work. The first we could call “Groznification”: complete suppression, as the Russian army did in Chechnya at the turn of the century. Even the destruction of any means of resistance works only temporarily, as Colonel Gaddafi learned in Libya. “Hearts and minds,” the strategy applied in Iraq and Afghanistan, is also ineffective: If you build hospitals and then fill them with corpses, you just generate more insurgents. The third option is “decapitation,” but the systematic targeting of insurgent networks’ leaders—the idea behind the recent U.S. air strikes on the Houthis in Yemen—can easily be countered by detailed succession plans. And killing leadership has the unintended consequence of fragmenting the insurgency’s power structures, so that, if you ever do want to negotiate a peaceful settlement, you have dozens of mini-insurgencies to deal with, rather than a single contained force.
&gt;
&gt;The Canadian population would present particular challenges to any counterinsurgency strategy. “The Taliban would look lightweight,” Ahmad told me. “Canada has all of the attributes to have an even fiercer insurgency than the other places in the world where I study these problems.” Canada has the most educated population in the Group of Seven advanced industrial nations, which for a resistance movement would be “an asset in being able to identify pressure points, in being able to know what critical infrastructure is, in being able to develop technology and weapons that can be highly disruptive,” Ahmad said. “The scale and the capacity would be so much higher.” If only one in 100 Canadians took up arms against an American occupation, that force would be 10 times the estimated size of the Taliban at the outset of the Afghan War. And that force would consist of machine-learning specialists and petroleum engineers rather than shepherds and subsistence farmers.
&gt;
&gt;...
&gt;
&gt;Already, the once-unthinkable idea of a war between Canada and the United States is growing less unthinkable. Before the 2024 U.S. election, 12 percent of Republicans viewed Canadians as “unfriendly” or “an enemy.” Now that number is 27 percent. Persuading the military to carry out an attack on Canada would probably be more difficult than convincing the population to support such an attack. The American officer class is trained, from the beginning, in “the duty not to follow orders,” and combat operations against Canada would involve fighting against fellow soldiers who shed blood beside them in Afghanistan and other theaters. Canadian and American soldiers have attended a great number of one another’s funerals.
&gt;
&gt;But turning the U.S. military is far from impossible. The Trump administration fired the commander of a Space Force base in Greenland the moment she expressed a position wavering from his annexationist aims there. The Naval Academy has already purged its library and canceled various speakers. At least some of the U.S. military’s leaders are on board with the ideological purification of their institutions.
&gt;
&gt;The conditions required for the occupation of Canada would also mean the end of American democracy. That, too, is not an impossible outcome—and a U.S. military adventure might even have both objectives in view. “The orchestration of a security crisis allows the incumbent government to declare emergency powers and bypass ordinary politics,” Ahmad said. “The Trump administration has already signaled that it wants a third term.” The 2028 election will be a watershed. If Trump decides to run again, a manufactured emergency over Canada would be a convenient excuse for overturning the constitutional barriers.

An attack is likely to be catastrophic for both nations and their allies, and will likely last far longer than a few months or years despite the vastly asymmetric capacities of each country's military forces. It would be foolhardy to discount the ongoing rhetoric and the current machinations of the American president as mere words, but rather a prelude to something worse. It's also worth considering who else gains from this conflict between neighbours and allies, and whether they are stoking the embers as well in the hopes that this fragmentation of a traditional alliance can provide them with further opportunities to advance their own agendas.

I wouldn't be surprised if I'm proven wrong in about two weeks but I really do think the "51st state" and "governor" rhetoric was specific to Trudeau and because Trump really disliked him. Probably because he was built like Canada's Obama--with all the good looks and charisma Trump himself *wishes* he had.

JournalistAdjacent

Carney: China is the greatest threat to Canada.

pichakui

STOP STOP STOP! He talks sh*t so that he can distract you. Why allow him to do that?

WrldTravelr07

There's not going to be a war between the US and Canada. Full stop.

GrizzledFart

Adding one state that would immediately become the deciding vote in the House?   Trump might regret that

Andreas1120

Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan fit inside Quebec. No one is coming over the border.

downwiththemike

Considering Trump and his secretary of defense, I wouldn’t bet on the US ‘winning’ any armed conflict, especially what would be an Ukraine Russia style ultra violent war of attrition with no casus belli whatsoever.  

It wouldn’t even be like the Iraq war because American civilians would be frequent casualties with the two countries sharing the largest border in the world. The violence would be up close and personal. It’s madness to even consider it. The populace would be 100% against it in the first month or two after the bombs start going off in cities. You can’t fight a war if literally no one supports it and Americans wouldn’t be concerned about losing their jobs or whatever keeps them from protesting/widespread civil unrest/worse stuff when they and their children literally might die from incoming artillery. This wouldn’t be a Vietnam war protest either. There isn’t even some red scare imagined propagandized threat, and I’d say 90% people are very aware of that fact. It should be 100% but I will allow for a minority of Americans to be brain damaged.

Maybe there is some historical examples of me being wrong, but I just don’t see how the clear illegitimacy in the eyes of the people of the Trump presidency would be comparable to any other historic situation, not to mention that belief in illegitimacy would quickly swell to unimaginable heights quickly after the war started. When nobody believes in their government and don’t feel like there is much to lose anymore, bad things start to happen and a ground war with a major power bordering the country would make sure it hits a tipping point very soon.

So I don’t see it happening or if it did happen it would be ended quickly because of domestic issues.

Sinphony_of_the_nite

Anyone who believes Trump will make Canada the 51st state of the US is stupid. Canada shares the same values as the USA, it's one of the biggest trading partners and it is not a threat.

Trump uses this kind of threat to get better trade deals. After he put tariffs on almost all countries on this planet, many did not put any retaliatory tariffs and instead offered better trade deals.

Southern-Reveal5111

Canada has no chance in a war. the us has a really really long history of suppressing restive natives. as said in the article. Canada has been tying itself closer and closer to the united states for 50 years now. it can't fight independently. 

the other issue with asymmetric war is that it hardens public opinion on both sides. if canadian partisans start killing americans any sympathy americans had would evaporate and it would harden american resolve.

the tactics referenced in the article are not the only ones available, they are just the ones invading armys have failed to use in the last 20 years. and only one was used for actual conquest. tactics that might work better is the tried and tested "carrot and stick" of improving peoples lives while also making examples out of those who resist. thats how america eventually got the natives to stop resisting, and its how the us pacified the Philippeans. the philippeans in 1900 had about the same percentage of the us population as canada now, on far better geography for resistance on the other side of the world.

the best canadian partisans can do is avenge Canada, not save it.

colepercy120

Americans would be defended against Wall Street and the wealthy elites in Washington

Sauerkrautkid7

Most likely the Canada talk is smoke and mirrors, rile up folks, especially north of the border in Canada. A bit of Canadian unity by way of bellicose Trump could do wonders for PM Carney. The better question might be what did Carney promise to Trump to boost his party's numbers and get him in PM chair.

Fresnel_peak


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Ordering takeout is not a "trade negotiation"

LineElegant3832

hilarious flustery blustery bullshit

he just says whatever he needs to get through the next 5 minutes

what a fucking imbecile and an embarrassment to the country

ElPlywood

I don't think I've ever witnessed a president be so singlehandedly responsible for destabilizing the global economy.

It's also no surprise that Trump is trying desperately to blame these outcomes on anyone or any*thing* else but himself and his own actions and policies.

And policies, mind you, that damn near every economist warned us about. It's not like these were wild predictions either.

Current estimates show that a recession is around the corner, with real GDP growth for the first quarter coming in negative at -2.2 percent.

When Trump caved on his "liberation day" tariffs, he claimed that dozens of countries were coming to the negotiating table, when in fact, the current administration is struggling to make deals with these other countries, including Japan, one of our largest trading partners.

And let's be clear here, Trump didn't back down because these other world leaders were "kissing his ass," he backed down because his policies are reckless and ill conceived, while he was likely being pressured by his advisors to pull back on some of these damaging trade policies. And by pressure I mean that his closest allies were probably pleading with Trump the same way a parent does when they're trying to get their child to eat vegetables.

No, these countries aren't kissing Trump's ass, they're being alienated and some are even being forced to take a harsher stance against the U.S. In other words, Trump is welcoming retaliation, which actually has the opposite intended effect when it comes to reducing the trade deficit.

And what's worse is that as Trump continues to escalate economic and diplomatic tensions between us and these other countries, they are being incentivized to turn to China! And believe it or not, China has their collective shit together and can weather the storm a hell of a lot better than we can.

And this has also turned out to be a massive failure because before Trump upended global trade, the US was in a much better position to economically isolate China!

This point needs to be emphasized over and over again. China's economy has expanded and grown at an exponential rate over the years. They have the means, the population, the resources, the bureaucracy, the workforce, etc, to win a trade war against the US nine times out of ten.

Now, keep in mind that Trump has still imposed sweeping tariffs on a wide range of goods, products and services from dozens of countries, while he continues to escalate matters with China one day, but backpedal on his policies the next.

He obviously never learned his lesson from last time. Because not only did Trump start a trade war with China during his first term, which led to harmful consequences for American businesses and consumers, but he also managed to increase the trade deficit at the same time.

But his supporters will tell you that this time it's different, even though he failed to balance the trade deficit last time when our tariff policies weren't as sweeping and haphazard as they are now.

They'll also explain that this is just all "part of the plan" to force other countries to start treating the United States "fairly."

Yes, the United States—which has spent the last several decades making itself the centerpiece of the current global trade system—is now the victim of the system it helped build in the first place.

I've come to realize that this talking point—which Trump uses to justify his reckless trade policies—is merely a broader representation of the right's insistence that they are being constantly victimized by the powers that be. Except in this case, it's on a global scale.

That being said, none of this has kept Trump's spokespeople from going to bat for him, claiming that he's playing "3D chess"  while lying to Americans about the long term effectiveness of his "genius" policies. "It's all part of the plan." What plan? You've shown us that there is no immutable plan here, that there is no certainty or stability whatsoever, and that the current administration is entirely untrustworthy.

This is all while Trump continues to make allies of enemies and enemies of allies as he fails to follow through on his "day one" promises.

In fact, it appears that Trump is more interested now in readmitting Russia back into the international club, than he is committed to negotiating a peace between Ukraine and its land grabbing enemy, nay, *our* enemy.

And yes, the flagrant hypocrisy of Trump and his supporters has been on full display these past few months.

Where in the past they used the stock market, CPI data, consumer confidence, price increases, Fed announcements, etc, as major metrics for indicating that a democrat president was doing a terrible job with the economy. But this time around, they're bending over backwards to defend Trump while trying desperately to rationalize why poor economic trends and ominous predictions about where the economy is headed are no big deal.

What's worse is that most of the economic issues we faced under Biden were a direct result of the global pandemic and its reverberating shock on the economy. On the other hand, most of the economic issues we have today are the direct result of one man's actions.

And Trump is such a vindictive, insecure, pretentious idiot that he doesn't realize, nor does he care that his rhetoric and actions are having the opposite intended effect on the economy. He doesn't realize that threatening to fire Jerome Powell will force markets into a tailspin. He's even gone on national TV and admitted that he "couldn't care less" if businesses raise their prices!

All those people who claimed they voted for Trump because he's a "businessman" don't realize that Trump is indeed running the country like he does his businesses, straight into the ground...

Choice-of-SteinsGate

Because EVERYTHING that crook says is a lie.

Administrated

The negotiations are happening inside his shrinking brain. He is either so desperate that he has nothing else but complete and utter bullshit or has lost the last vestiges of his tenuous grip on reality.

Exports to the US only comprise 3% of China's GDP. It can afford to sit tight and demand that tariffs be lifted before any trade discussions take place.

Rare earths give it the same influence as OPEC in the 1970's and the oil shock plunged the US into recession. That the US is already in economic recession gives China the whip hand.

Expecting to bully China into a trade deal was the height of arrogance and stupidity.

Once tariffs are lifted China can respond with trade discussions which demand a free trade agreement with the US. It will reach an agreement which makes Trump's trade war a complete failure.

Other nations are most likely sitting back in wait for this nonsense to collapse.

Trump cheats at golf and nations of any standing play chess.

iyamwhatiyam8000

gnatdump6

Trump is talking to the voices in his head.

ResidentKelpien

It’s gotten to the point that literally no one on the right dares to truly fact check or question the validity of anything he says. If he says something they parrot it to the base, end of story. Maybe some softball questions here and there to keep up appearances, but nothing that would break the narrative. I’m sure the Republican base is convinced that trump has gotten great trade deals for America from all this tariff shenanigans, once again proving himself to be an expert negotiator. When in reality all he did was just piss off all our allies for no reason and now we’re worse off on all fronts. And then he just backed off without getting anything for it. Made all those people hate us for absolutely no good reason.

A1sauc3d

Are these deals in the room with us right now?

masstransience

The mistake here is believing anything Trump says.  He's a pathological liar.

tapdancinghellspawn

Every time he orders something from Panda Express, he thinks it’s a negotiation with China. He doesn’t know the difference.

RamonaQ-JunieB

As per [original article](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-tariffs-trade-negotiations-china-b2740393.html) 📰:

- Donald Trump’s chaotic approach to the U.S.-China trade war took an odd turn this week, with the president claiming that trade negotiations are happening every day, with Beijing responding that they have no idea what he’s talking about.

To recap, the United States has put an import tax of 145 percent on Chinese goods coming into America. As inventories already in the country deplete and new stock arrives, Americans can expect to pay more for products or find shelves unstocked.

China responded by putting a 125 percent tariff on U.S. imports. Officials warned other nations striking trade deals with Trump that there will be consequences if they come at the expense of Beijing’s interests.

The president has softened his rhetoric over the past week — saying he planned to be “very nice” to reach a deal, calling the current tariff on Chinese goods “too high” and vowing it would “come down substantially.” This came after a meeting with major retailers who are believed to have sounded the alarm over what the tariffs mean for their businesses.

Nevertheless, no formal talks with China appear to have either been arranged or have taken place, no matter what Trump claims.

On the Sunday morning talk shows, Trump Cabinet members were asked to clarify who was talking with China.

Things did not get any clearer.

ABC’s Martha Raddatz asked Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent about China on This Week. He began by explaining that the Chinese business model is selling cheap goods to the United States, and if that were to suddenly stop, they would be forced to negotiate.

“President Trump, again, said he’s spoken to President Xi of China, and negotiations are ongoing, but China has firmly denied this, saying that China and the US have not consulted or negotiated on the tariff issue,” Raddatz said.

“So are negotiations actually happening? Who is talking?”

Bessent replied: “This was IMF, World Bank week, in D.C., as you know, and I had interactions with my Chinese counterparts, but it was more on the traditional things like financial stability, global economic early warnings.”

He continued: “I don’t know if President Trump has spoken with President Xi. I know they have a very good relationship and a lot of respect for each other, but again, I think that the Chinese will see that this high tariff level is unsustainable for their business.”

“Why would they deny the negotiations?” asked Raddatz.

“I think they’re playing to a different audience,” Bessent replied.

“So they’re actually going on, there are actually things happening, but the Chinese are just denying that it’s not true?” Raddatz asked by way of clarification.

“We have a process in place. And again, I just believe these Chinese tariffs are unsustainable because of the Chinese business model,” the Treasury secretary reiterated.

Turning to another Trump statement that trade deals could be arranged with multiple countries in a very short space of time, Raddatz asked about a timeline for an agreement with China, noting Bessent has told Bloomberg it could take two to three years to forge a comprehensive deal. At the IMF meetings, he called it a “slog.”

“Well, look, I think that there is a path here. So the first will be again a de-escalation, which I think the Chinese are going to have to have. Then I think there can be an agreement in principle,” he said, saying that other trade talks were following a similar trajectory.

Raddatz also pressed Bessent on Trump’s claim he’s made 200 deals on tariffs: “Who has he made deals with? Is there actually any deal at this point?”

Bessent didn’t give specifics but said he believed the president was referring to “subdeals” within the negotiations.

He also defended the president’s seemingly chaotic tactics as “strategic uncertainty.”

“Nobody’s better at creating this leverage than President Trump,” he said.

On CNN’s State of the Union, Dana Bash pressed Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins on the alleged China negotiations.

“You said that there are talks with China every day,” Bash said. “Who are the talks with and at what level? Because the Chinese are saying that’s not true.”

Rollins responded: “Well, according to our team in Washington, the conversations are ongoing regarding multiples of trade, but here multiples of the trade goods that are coming out and going in. But, the bottom line with China is this: they need us more than we need them. They need our money. They need our markets. They need our consumers and all of the above.”

She called the president “the ultimate deal maker” working to “hold China accountable.”

“And in agriculture, year upon year, decade upon decade, our goods have been taken advantage of,” she said. “The trade disparity, the non-trade barriers on top of the tariff numbers, are insane, whether it’s Argentina, or China, or Brazil, or the UK.”

On Thursday, He Yadong, China’s Ministry of Commerce spokesperson, said: “Any claims about the progress of China-U.S. trade negotiations are groundless as trying to catch the wind and have no factual basis.”

Similarly, Guo Jiakun, a spokesperson for China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said China is prepared to negotiate only under certain conditions.

“China’s attitude is consistent and clear: if you want to fight, we will fight to the end, if you want to talk, the door is open,” he said.

That same day, Trump told reporters in the Oval Office: “Well, they had a meeting this morning, so I can’t tell you. It doesn’t matter who ‘they’ is. We may reveal it later, but they had meetings this morning, and we’ve been meeting with China.”

T_Shurt

Trump is loosing his mind. Or should I say he has already lost it. Nothing he is doing makes a hell of a lot of sense. He is crashing the economy and the dollar. China can stand the pain more than the USA will as the store shelves become empty and the prices for everything skyrockets he will have little choice but to back peddle or face a revolution at home.  He has turned the USA into a world pariah no one really wants to deal with them any more because he has proven he won’t honor any of his “deals”  the world will with great difficulty just abandon trade with the USA until the USA steps up on their terms  not the USA’s terms any more. You can’t deal with a crazy person.

Nice-Lakes

Trump is lying. When will the news be bold enough to write that in headlines

AliveTank5987

There's a non zero chance he's speaking to some racist chat-gpt caricature, and thinking he really giving it good to the Chinese. Just gotta get Thiel and Palantir to make up an alternate reality for em while they go buck wild on America.

Cold_Jovian00

I like to think someone is pretending to be and is essentially prank calling the Trump admin and they think it’s real. Could definitely see that.

James---Trickington

Just like with the EU, “sure we’d love an opportunity to renegotiate the trade deal we agreed with you on your first term that you have disregarded, please tell us when and where and with whom we will be negotiating and what the agenda is?”

Crickets!

GoodMix392

When Trump just repeats what the last person he spoke to has told him, it is likely in this instance that he is repeating the lies that someone in his administration is telling him. But he doesn’t know that it is a lie. Ladies and gentlemen we have entered the president of the United States is delusional stage.

Eastcoastpal

Wonder if the deals are for his stupid maga 2028 hats?🤣

StrikingAnxiety5527

Come on, They all sound and look the same to him…. I bet it’s just some Asian junior staff member in the mail room

Sarcasmgasmizm

The good thing about Cheeto is that if he says it, his bootlickers will just believe it as truth. They will celebrate his wins because he said so. They will deny reality because it’s fake news. In other words. It doesn’t matter because he’s playing 4d chess while everyone else is playing checkers….

tacs97

oldfed2005

Reed_Ikulas_PDX

Imagine Trump being a bold-faced liar…

Yep, I have a hard time with it too… /s

Jamizon1

I am sure when he went to sleep last night, he made like 30 or 40 trade negotiations.

shoppingfortruth

I’m feeling good, damn, I’m feeling so fine  
I’m living on a cloud above an island in my mind  
Oh baby, don’t be alarmed, this is just my vibe

idoma21

Risky-Trizkit

Reminds me of those people who talk into a mobile phone to nobody then all of a sudden it rings. We had a politician here once who said responding to journalists was like feeding the pigeons. That's what Trump "interviews" on the plane look like. Feeds any old shit.

CoastalTraveller

Amazing that I can believe China, but not my own government.

rm78noir

It’s called lying. He does it every time he opens his mouth. Let’s start using that word more.

labaticus

Maybe it's all on Signal and super duper secret

JeanClaudeSegal

JH_Edits

The senile old man is probably calling up a local chinese restaurant and trying to negotiate a deal on egg rolls.

absentmindedjwc

Random_Fish_Type

Trump can’t stay awake for a high profile funeral. He just makes shit up because he can’t be bothered to do anything but have his staff writing the next ridiculous executive order.

Vegetable-Walrus-246

Trumps been talking on the disconnected phone they put on his desk

Beer-Me

Trump probably is talking to a Chinese guy about trade, but he’s not listening to the response. ‘Mr. President, this is a Panda Express’.

Aggressive-Cut5836

I guarantee that his advisors are telling him every day that they are involved in dozens of trade negotiations, when they are doing absolutely nothing. He certainly isn’t involved in any negotiations.

Most-Artichoke6184

American Journalists sure use every phrase other than “he’s lying”. It’s the simple truth. He has no fucking idea what his government are doing and he’s dribbling into his depends.

flyingdodo

"Alternative Facts"

Wasn't that what they called it in his first term?

primax1uk

Trump is negotiating with himself.  In his head.

Content-Pen99

Dementia. The man hasn't a clue where he is, what he is doing or what he is signing. If he wasn't such a pos I would feel bad for him. Looking more and more like elder abuse from the project 2025ers. He has nothing to do with running this government. Other being the puppet of a bunch of white Christian supremacists. The US Yeltsin. 

ShepardCommander3000

It would be so funny if the voice record came out of some random youtuber/tiktoker pretending to be Chinese negotiator

Afraid_Courage890

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China isn't playing Trump games, and Trump is too embarrassed to admit it.

itsaconspiraci

The guy’s going senile, it’s Biden 2.0 with extra hot crazy sauce and plenty of randomness throw in.

shrewpygmy

Gee, you don't suppose he is, I don't know, lying, do you?

shastadakota

Telepathy? Or could it be that Trump and Xi had a call 6 months ago and he thinks that's ongoing. 

I really don't think Trump is a well man, he's increasingly showing age related health conditions.

felthouse

Technical_Audience51

It's they guy ordering Chinese takeout with the restaurant.

redditjunky2025

This administration is weaponized incompetence

RedBMWZ2

MrIrvington

AdditionalSpare3014

homebrew_1

Dementia Donnie’s imagitorium and the 3 ring circus where Hegseth’s hallucinations are secure and Majorie Taylor Green is the missing link in evolution

ptahbaphomet

I believe it. He's on the phone daily. Of course, it's just one of those Fisher Price phones, but who's counting?!

Crabbyrob

lizkbyer

Trump is and always will be a liar,thief and crook.

LonelySwordfish5403

“I ordered a general Tso’s chicken with fried rice.  I don’t know why they haven’t brought it.  I tried talking them into a free bowl of egg drop, but they weren’t having it.”

- Trump negotiating with Chinatown Express in DC.

Deal_These

This is the Opposite Administration. Peace in the Ukraine in 24 hours? Nope, opposite. Impose tariffs?/ Remove tariffs? Nope, opposite. Tariff negotiations with China? Nope, opposite. DOGE and government efficiency? Nope, opposite. Make America great again? Nope, fascist state. Pretty obvious pattern I think. The Orange Turd can’t tell the truth!

FicklePop3421

Hey Donald just checking it's not [this guy](https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Leslie_Chow) is it? 

Voaracious

"Look, this a complicated negotiation. There are a lotta ins, a lotta outs, a lotta what-have-yous. And, uh, a lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Donald's head."

bluuuuurn

It’s happening all through Twitter DMs between @POTUS and a drive-time radio DJ in Tallahassee named @WildGuyXI

Gustapher00

The President of Soybean farmers in the US are telling him to make a deal or back off.

They are freaking out, because the last time it happened they got screwed and never recovered.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/nx-s1-5361357/u-s-soybean-farmers-urge-trump-to-ease-tariffs-on-china-to-protect-their-industry

Rikers-Mailbox

Because he's lying. 

Before I leave this planet... I would just ONCE like to hear a MSM news outlet be honest and say "It's because he's lying". And to announce we finally get Universal heathcare for all... And then I'm done.

williamgman

Watch the tone shift once shelves are empty

Manealendil

PutComprehensive259

Could he be on the phone and believing he is in such conversations?

HorlicksAbuser

Creepy-Caramel7569

Trump's credibility is so low from the constant lying that you just know immediately to take China's word over his. 

He's reached Putin levels of untrustworthiness.

bosgeest

Come on journalists. You know he’s lying. Who is gonna be the first to say it. Enough already of his BS. He’s been doing it in front of you for over 8 years now.

purplebrown_updown

dmanjrxx

It must be nice being a republican. You can make up shit and get no pushback from mainstream media. Conservatives lie all the fucking time a day people just believe them.

earhere

I really think he thinks that each tarrif that's been placed and each change is a deal. It's a deal he made because he said so. They are perfect deals because he set them and no one said no so they must be agreeing to the "deal"

BJntheRV

[Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_and_the_Lying_Liars_Who_Tell_Them)

temporary62489

The U.S. and China are set to resume trade talks in London next week, involving high-level meetings that address tariffs, rare earth exports, and semiconductor use. This follows a phone call between President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping, marking a critical step in the prolonged trade war affecting both economic giants.

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